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  2. [quote="mattamamma":1151b2ge]Очень интересная статья. Жаль, что мозгопромытые апологеты запада пропустят ее мимо ушей.[/quote:1151b2ge]

    да действительно, а ещё жальче что в статье нет ни одного обоснования кроме оскорбительного — "там так положено поступать"

  3. [quote="Pochemychker":1n9r7efy][quote="mattamamma":1n9r7efy]Очень интересная статья. Жаль, что мозгопромытые апологеты запада пропустят ее мимо ушей.[/quote:1n9r7efy]

    да действительно, а ещё жальче что в статье нет ни одного обоснования кроме оскорбительного — "там так положено поступать"[/quote:1n9r7efy]

    Вот в оригинале.

    http://www.newsweek.com/american-who-da … ase-231388

    [quote:1n9r7efy]My main point is that we, not Putin, have managed to move the divide of the new Cold War from Berlin, where it was semi-safe, right to Russia’s borders. Maybe it’s not an iron curtain, but divided Berlin was the divide for 45 years. Now we’ve moved it right plunk to a divided Ukraine. And Ukraine was divided by God and history, not by Putin.[/quote:1n9r7efy]

  4. [quote="Choibolsan":2c2nxzye][quote="Pochemychker":2c2nxzye][quote="mattamamma":2c2nxzye]Очень интересная статья. Жаль, что мозгопромытые апологеты запада пропустят ее мимо ушей.[/quote:2c2nxzye]

    да действительно, а ещё жальче что в статье нет ни одного обоснования кроме оскорбительного — "там так положено поступать"[/quote:2c2nxzye]

    Вот в оригинале.

    http://www.newsweek.com/american-who-da … ase-231388

    [quote:2c2nxzye]My main point is that we, not Putin, have managed to move the divide of the new Cold War from Berlin, where it was semi-safe, right to Russia’s borders. Maybe it’s not an iron curtain, but divided Berlin was the divide for 45 years. Now we’ve moved it right plunk to a divided Ukraine. [b:2c2nxzye]And Ukraine was divided by God and history, not by Putin.[/b:2c2nxzye][/quote:2c2nxzye][/quote:2c2nxzye]

    Так и хочется спросить, этот прохфесор на Украине хоть раз бывал? Хотя ответ очевидный.

  5. [quote="Choibolsan":1kxcx412][quote="Pochemychker":1kxcx412][quote="mattamamma":1kxcx412]Очень интересная статья. Жаль, что мозгопромытые апологеты запада пропустят ее мимо ушей.[/quote:1kxcx412]

    да действительно, а ещё жальче что в статье нет ни одного обоснования кроме оскорбительного — "там так положено поступать"[/quote:1kxcx412]

    Вот в оригинале.

    http://www.newsweek.com/american-who-da … ase-231388[/quote:1kxcx412]

    [quote:1kxcx412]My main point is that we, not Putin, have managed to move the divide of the new Cold War from Berlin, where it was semi-safe, right to Russia’s borders. Maybe it’s not an iron curtain, but divided Berlin was the divide for 45 years. Now we’ve moved it right plunk to a divided Ukraine. And Ukraine was divided by God and history, not by Putin.[/quote:1kxcx412]

    Чой — а каким боком это что-то обосновывает в действиях Путина с твоей точки зрения ?

    Впрочем человек по твоей ссылке вообще похоже не понимает кто что и где и базирует своё "понимание" на том, что Крым это пограничный город, в котором стоят склады морской базы России. А новое (раньше я не видел) обоснование действий путина это те самые "снайперы 3 силы" теперь (как оно относится к Крыму — загадка сумрачного сознания)

    [quote:1kxcx412]
    [b:1kxcx412]There are, it would appear, about 9,000 Russian troops milling around Crimea, on the streets, guarding buildings.[/b:1kxcx412] There’s a naval base there. So by law, by contract, Russia has every right to be there. They have an infantry protecting it’s strategic facilities.
    I think they took the troops that they’re moving around Crimea from the Crimean naval base. I don’t know that they actually sent troops across the Russian-Crimean border. So if we’re going to use the word invasion we need to be precise.

    Now [Putin] did do something. He mobilized some troops he had there. There’s no doubt about that. He may have broken the terms of the contract he had with Ukraine governing troop movement at that naval base. That may be the case. But have you heard the story about the snipers?[/quote:1kxcx412]

  6. [url:3tj78sf2]http://intellihub.com/us-presidential-candidate-dennis-kucinich-says-us-instigated-ukraine-crisis/[/url:3tj78sf2]
    US Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich says US instigated Ukraine Crisis. Former congressman says that “U.S. taxpayers’ money was used to knock off an elected government in Ukraine”.

  7. [quote="Gata6":183a0eax][url:183a0eax]http://intellihub.com/us-presidential-candidate-dennis-kucinich-says-us-instigated-ukraine-crisis/[/url:183a0eax]
    US Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich says US instigated Ukraine Crisis. Former congressman says that “U.S. taxpayers’ money was used to knock off an elected government in Ukraine”.[/quote:183a0eax]

    1. Изучайте наконец английский
    2. Kucinich никогда не был Presidential candidate ( он входил в пул, и всё )
    3. Да, у него кончились деньги после того, как он проиграл на перевыборах даже на собственное место в конгрессе .. бывает. Можно понять человека.

  8. Так написано в статье, что он кандидат, я всего лишь скопировала заглавие. Кандидат он или нет, не имею понятия. Ясно одно: американский еврей, они просто так ни о чем вякать не будут.

  9. [quote="Gata6":13ee97l4]Так написано в статье, что он кандидат, я всего лишь скопировала заглавие. Кандидат он или нет, не имею понятия. Ясно одно: американский еврей, они просто так ни о чем вякать не будут.[/quote:13ee97l4]

    Угу .. ультра левый на Фоксе говорит "What I’d do is not have USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy working with U.S. taxpayers’ money to knock off an elected government in Ukraine" неудивительно что он даже на своём участке проиграл .. и неудивительно что RT подхватило (забыв упомянуть о USAID & National Endowment) :D D:

  10. [quote="Pochemychker":d71d6vm9]
    Чой — а каким боком это что-то обосновывает в действиях Путина с твоей точки зрения ? [/quote:d71d6vm9]

    А надо обосновывать? Он свое мнение высказал не с целью кого-то оправдывать.

    [quote="Pochemychker":d71d6vm9]Впрочем человек по твоей ссылке вообще похоже не понимает кто что и где и базирует своё "понимание" на том, что Крым это пограничный город, в котором стоят склады морской базы России. А новое (раньше я не видел) обоснование действий путина это те самые "снайперы 3 силы" теперь (как оно относится к Крыму — загадка сумрачного сознания)
    [/quote:d71d6vm9]

    Я думаю, он понимает куда больше чем мы все здесь вместе взятые. :)

  11. I see only one goal of all this: US wants to surround Russia with NATO bases capable of intercepting Russian nuclear missiles before they leave Russia and thus to insure that they may attack without the risk of being fought back. If Russia falls — this will mean the start of world government. EU and US are already acting as one government.
    I admire that Ukrainians were able to throw away the corrupted government, although I do not support the way it was done. Perhaps, there is no other way to do so, on the other hand. Once the power is on hands, why was it needed to prohibit the use of the Russian language in country where half of the population speak it? To divide the country? Well, I see it’s been well achieved. Now US is enjoying the scene: Ukrainians hate Russians and visa versa. All this is very sad… at least to me.

  12. [quote="Choibolsan":3toye8ui][quote="Pochemychker":3toye8ui]
    Чой — а каким боком это что-то обосновывает в действиях Путина с твоей точки зрения ? [/quote:3toye8ui]

    А надо обосновывать? Он свое мнение высказал не с целью кого-то оправдывать.
    [/quote:3toye8ui]
    Да в общем-то мне его мнение совсем неинтересно, но мы тут вроде-как в топике с знаванием "осмелившийся обосновать" … вот я и любопытствую — это я чего не заметил, или автор топика недопонял :D

    [quote="Choibolsan":3toye8ui]
    Я думаю, он понимает куда больше чем мы все здесь вместе взятые. :)[/quote:3toye8ui]
    А я так не думаю и это замечательно, что мы все такие разные.

  13. [quote="Due-West":eqbmggho]I see only one goal of all this: US wants to surround Russia with NATO bases capable of intercepting Russian nuclear missiles before they leave Russia and thus to insure that they may attack without the risk of being fought back. If Russia falls — this will mean the start of world government. EU and US are already acting as one government.
    I admire that Ukrainians were able to throw away the corrupted government, although I do not support the way it was done. Perhaps, there is no other way to do so, on the other hand. Once the power is on hands, why was it needed to prohibit the use of the Russian language in country where half of the population speak it? To divide the country? Well, I see it’s been well achieved. Now US is enjoying the scene: Ukrainians hate Russians and visa versa. All this is very sad… at least to me.[/quote:eqbmggho]

    Well . it’s a good question, and the answer is — there is no law that prohibit use of the Russian language in Ukraine, and there was no attempt to introduce such a law. Even more -as anyone could see there were just recently thousands of people in Kieve at the very same "Maydan" applauding to the speech of Khodorkovsky hold in Russian :)

  14. Well . it’s a good question, and the answer is — there is no law that prohibit use of the Russian language in Ukraine, and there was no attempt to introduce such a law. Even more -as anyone could see there were just recently thousands of people in Kieve at the very same "Maydan" applauding to the speech of Khodorkovsky hold in Russian :)

    Вы кому-то рекомендовали английский учить, а у самих, судя по вами написанному, он на уровне восьмого класса общеобразовательной школы.

  15. Yes, you are right there is no such law. However, the new government decides to annul the the previous law on the status of the Russian language which in my opinion was not a right thing to do. This created a lot of noise in the south-eastern parts of Ukraine. Even though this decision has not been signed by the performing president, the issue is raised and many accepted the news as against Russians. In these hard times to raise a question of languages is the least useful thing.
    Another mistake made by the new government was this:Кличко требует созвать Совбез ООН и выгнать Черноморский флот из Крыма
    http://glavred.info/politika/klichko-tr … 72667.html. Instead of talking to the Russian government about the price, they decide to go against the interests of Russia. This now leads to a referendum. As a result, the whole Crimea, in all likelihood, will become a part of Russia. Ukraine is very important for Russia, I’d say, the list line of defense. Seeing this, Russia’s reaction is very predictable.
    As I understand, most part of Maidan was paid by the US not without their own interests involved. Therefore the new government now has to pay back for the support by following US interests which are in no way acceptable for Moscow. Unfortunately, there are ordinary people involved between this collision of interests. Imho, the new government has to find a way to negotiate with Moscow, because Russia and Ukraine are neighbors and I am sure they can build relation based on equal rights. As for US and EU, the former has only military goals in Ukraine and EU wants to flood Ukrainian market with their own goods and use the cheap workforce. So it seems to me.

  16. [quote="SergeyZ":1v7cyw7t][quote:1v7cyw7t]Well . it’s a good question, and the answer is — there is no law that prohibit use of the Russian language in Ukraine, and there was no attempt to introduce such a law. Even more -as anyone could see there were just recently thousands of people in Kieve at the very same "Maydan" applauding to the speech of Khodorkovsky hold in Russian :)[/quote:1v7cyw7t]

    Вы кому-то рекомендовали английский учить, а у самих, судя по вами написанному, он на уровне восьмого класса общеобразовательной школы.[/quote:1v7cyw7t]

    вы конструктивнее критикуйте пожалуйста — что неправильно, где .. я ж не сидел и не думал над тем что тут писалось .. а подтягивать чужой язык надо всегда :D ( вот если бы я себя за дипломатического чиновника США попытался бы выдать — как некоторые … это было бы забавно :D )

  17. [quote="Due-West":1w51gfq9]Yes, you are right there is no such law. However, the new government decides to annul the the previous law on the status of the Russian language which in my opinion was not a right thing to do. This created a lot of noise in the south-eastern parts of Ukraine. Even though this decision has not been signed by the performing president, the issue is raised and many accepted the news as against Russians. In these hard times to raise a question of languages is the least useful thing. [/quote:1w51gfq9]
    And it definitely tells us that those people are exactly who they pretend to be — opposition leaders with limited real "big world" experience on sensitive topics. But they learn fast.

    [quote="Due-West":1w51gfq9]
    Another mistake made by the new government was this:Кличко требует созвать Совбез ООН и выгнать Черноморский флот из Крыма
    http://glavred.info/politika/klichko-tr … 72667.html. Instead of talking to the Russian government about the price, they decide to go against the interests of Russia. This now leads to a referendum. As a result, the whole Crimea, in all likelihood, will become a part of Russia. Ukraine is very important for Russia, I’d say, the list line of defense. Seeing this, Russia’s reaction is very predictable.
    [/quote:1w51gfq9]
    That’s where you are wrong. The statement above was made two days AFTER well organized people using weapons believed to be available only to the special forces of Russia take a control over the parlament of Crimea. So whatever this statement was it can’t be reason for the referendum or any other action of Russia — it was a pushback.

    [quote="Due-West":1w51gfq9]
    As I understand, most part of Maidan was paid by the US not without their own interests involved.
    [/quote:1w51gfq9]
    Maidan is a 3+ months event that on average has tens of thousands of people involved daily, and had spikes of something that was called "millions". Even after the government was changed it’s still in place, which shows quite good that it’s mostly not paid by anyone ( I don’t say that there was no single person being paid there :D )

    [quote="Due-West":1w51gfq9]
    Imho, the new government has to find a way to negotiate with Moscow[/quote:1w51gfq9]
    I’d say they tried, but with military forces of Russia occupying parts of the country it’s not something that could be done (even in an assumption that Moscow wants to talk, that I have a hard problem to believe in .. especially after the current failure of Kerry )

  18. [quote="Pochemychker":2lur1eik] …two days AFTER… [/quote:2lur1eik] — does not change a lot. It only means that Russians secret service does its job and Putin calculated this in advance.

    [quote="Pochemychker":2lur1eik]… mostly not paid by anyone…[/quote:2lur1eik] Here we disagree. It is highly improbable to be able to overthrow the existing government without the financing from the outside. Maidan is not an exception. Maidan is there for more than 3 months. Someone had to bring the food, someone had to bring the tires, someone had to take away the shit. All these Molotov cocktails — someone had to buy the ingredients and deliver those to Maidan. Someone had to organize the flow of materials, helmets, bats. etc. I agree, not all was paid. But to me, it was significant. I think there are people in Maidan who truly believed in the idea, who was extremely tired of the corruption of the elite at the power. Those were not paid.

    I suppose if the new government instead of listening and following the EU and US addressed in a diplomatic way with Russia before proclaiming or taking anti-Russian decision, everything would be completely different. But this is impossible because the debt has to be returned…

  19. [quote="Due-West":iog83ugj][quote="Pochemychker":iog83ugj] …two days AFTER… [/quote:iog83ugj] — does not change a lot. It only means that Russians secret service does its job and Putin calculated this in advance.[/quote:iog83ugj]
    Some minutes ago you were trying to make a point, that it’s his action that leads to the referendum, now you are at the same position that I am — the whole "referendum" scneario was pre-calculated by some of the advisors of mr. Putin well in advance. Btw — don’t hesitate to speak russian — there is no problem here :)

    [quote="Due-West":iog83ugj]
    [quote="Pochemychker":iog83ugj]… mostly not paid by anyone…[/quote:iog83ugj] Here we disagree. It is highly improbable to be able to overthrow the existing government without the financing from the outside. Maidan is not an exception. Maidan is there for more than 3 months. Someone had to bring the food, someone had to bring the tires, someone had to take away the shit. All these Molotov cocktails — someone had to buy the ingredients and deliver those to Maidan. Someone had to organize the flow of materials, helmets, bats. etc. I agree, not all was paid. But to me, it was significant. I think there are people in Maidan who truly believed in the idea, who was extremely tired of the corruption of the elite at the power. Those were not paid.
    [/quote:iog83ugj]
    Oh, I do believe that quite a few rich people on Maidan helped with some money to organize things, I just don’t see the reason to suspect money from outside of the country to flow there at large.

    [quote="Due-West":iog83ugj]
    I suppose if the new government instead of listening and following the EU and US addressed in a diplomatic way with Russia [/quote:iog83ugj]

    There were exactly 5 days between oyster of former Ukrainian president (and start of forming interim government) and spetsnaz in Crimea … are you seriously trying to convince me that new government had a chance to do anything in-between AT ALL ? They are reacting now to de-facto annex that’s the only thing they do, and they are not too bad at it.

  20. [quote="Pochemychker":3u7jhpmw] Some minutes ago you were trying to make a point, that it’s his action that leads to the referendum,..[/quote:3u7jhpmw]
    Well I did not actually say that. I only meant that Crimea was taken over because of the emerging threat to the Russian fleet. I do not think that they even thought about it at all. Referendum — appeared as a natural solution to the problem after people started to express their opinion on the situation.

    Do you really believe some rich people would give their money to the venture with no obvious result? Doubt that very much.
    If the new government were not indebted to the US, yes this would be possible. But they had no choice from the start with the visits of McCain and others…

    I would write in Russian if I had the keyboard :)

  21. [quote="Due-West":15fns9dy][quote="Pochemychker":15fns9dy] Some minutes ago you were trying to make a point, that it’s his action that leads to the referendum,..[/quote:15fns9dy]
    Well I did not actually say that. I only meant that Crimea was taken over because of the emerging threat to the Russian fleet. [/quote:15fns9dy]

    I’m not sure that current situation with russian fleet effectively blocked in black see forever is more interesting from strategical point of view, and yes you actually said:

    [quote="Due-West":15fns9dy]Instead of talking to the Russian government about the price, they decide to go against the interests of Russia. This now leads to a referendum. [/quote:15fns9dy]
    now, as far as I understand you recognize that the sheer fact of existence of independent Ukrainian government was the reason for occupation, not any action of such.

    [quote="Due-West":15fns9dy]
    Do you really believe some rich people would give their money to the venture with no obvious result? Doubt that very much.
    [/quote:15fns9dy]
    If I’m not mistaken some of those examples are well known … also with millions of supporters and "typical" conversion rates — they had more then enough money to run the thing even w/o big sponsors.

    [quote="Due-West":15fns9dy]
    If the new government were not indebted to the US, yes this would be possible. But they had no choice from the start with the visits of McCain and others…
    [/quote:15fns9dy]
    Do you think they paid McCain to visit them ? I’d rather say — he paid them to accept him. And last time I checked he was not in the government, and even not in the ruling party :)

    [quote="Due-West":15fns9dy]
    I would write in Russian if I had the keyboard :)[/quote:15fns9dy]

    I don’t have a russian keyboard, but it doesn’t stop me :)

  22. [quote="Choibolsan":755xylga]
    Я думаю, он понимает куда больше чем мы все здесь вместе взятые. :)
    [quote="Pochemychker":755xylga]А я так не думаю и это замечательно, что мы все такие разные.[/quote:755xylga][/quote:755xylga]

    Принстонский и Нью-Йоркский универы, а также тогдашняя администрация дедушки Буша и канал CBC реально лоханулись, не спросив тебя о его компетенции.

    Иначе, ты бы сам преподавал курс "Россия после 1917" в престижных учебных заведениях десятками лет, а он бы неистово анализировал мировую ситуацию на Кафе Кебекуа. :)

  24. [quote="Choibolsan":vtv85fmv][quote="Choibolsan":vtv85fmv]
    Я думаю, он понимает куда больше чем мы все здесь вместе взятые. :)
    [quote="Pochemychker":vtv85fmv]А я так не думаю и это замечательно, что мы все такие разные.[/quote:vtv85fmv][/quote:vtv85fmv]

    Принстонский и Нью-Йоркский универы, а также тогдашняя администрация дедушки Буша и канал CBC реально лоханулись, не спросив тебя о его компетенции.

    Иначе, ты бы сам преподавал курс "Россия после 1917" в престижных учебных заведениях десятками лет, а он бы неистово анализировал мировую ситуацию на Кафе Кебекуа. :)[/quote:vtv85fmv]

    Чой, ты открываешь мне глаза … я ведь по наивности думал, что разделение истории на новую и новейшую, а также отделение разведки от университетов это разумно, поскольку и источники материалов для обработки, и принципы обработки материалов разные, и иногда ОЧЕНЬ сильно. А оказывается это всё были советские идиотизмы, и достаточно знать, как там было в РОССИИ в 1918, чтобы понять, что происходит с УКРАИНОЙ в 2014 … ну извини.

  25. [quote="Pochemychker":1aj4uz2h]Чой, ты открываешь мне глаза … я ведь по наивности думал, что разделение истории на новую и новейшую, а также отделение разведки от университетов это разумно, поскольку и источники материалов для обработки, и принципы обработки материалов разные, и иногда ОЧЕНЬ сильно. А оказывается это всё были советские идиотизмы, и достаточно знать, как там было в РОССИИ в 1918, чтобы понять, что происходит с УКРАИНОЙ в 2014 … ну извини.[/quote:1aj4uz2h]

    Это правда. Твоя нивность в суждениях привносит этакий флер в дискуссию.
    Правда скорость полета космических тел от этого не меняется.

    Верхнюю цитату нет смыла комментировать. Потому, что это эмоции, а не здравый смысл.

    :)

  26. [quote="Choibolsan":32emxnfx][quote="Pochemychker":32emxnfx]Чой, ты открываешь мне глаза … я ведь по наивности думал, что разделение истории на новую и новейшую, а также отделение разведки от университетов это разумно, поскольку и источники материалов для обработки, и принципы обработки материалов разные, и иногда ОЧЕНЬ сильно. А оказывается это всё были советские идиотизмы, и достаточно знать, как там было в РОССИИ в 1918, чтобы понять, что происходит с УКРАИНОЙ в 2014 … ну извини.[/quote:32emxnfx]

    Это правда. Твоя нивность в суждениях привносит этакий флер в дискуссию.
    Правда скорость полета космических тел от этого не меняется.

    Верхнюю цитату нет смыла комментировать. Потому, что это эмоции, а не здравый смысл.

    :)[/quote:32emxnfx]

    Мы с тобой и в оценке этого тоже расходимся, но как я уже и говорил — это здорово, что мы все такие разные.

  27. Do you really believe in this [quote="Pochemychker":1zdp9u9w]now, as far as I understand you recognize that the sheer fact of existence of independent Ukrainian government was the reason for occupation, not any action of such.[/quote:1zdp9u9w].
    I do not know where you get such ideas. I am willing to see Ukraine as strong and independent country, free of any influence neither Russian nor EU or that of the US. And so are the majority of Russians, I suppose, including Putin.
    As I said, the take over of Crimea was a reaction to the events which threatened to lose access to the sea.
    Since the collapse of the USSR, the NATO approached to the Russian borders all the way down from the former western Germany even though the western countries promised to Gorbachev not to make a single step eastwards. As you see, this promise has not been kept.
    Earlier, they split Yugoslavia which was the largest country in Europe, and you know what happened there. Now Ukraine is on its (NATO=US) way.
    I may be wrong, but something tells me I am not. Russia has always been and will always be a huge piece of delicious cake for the US. Ukraine is just standing on its way. That is all. This collision of interests costs a lot of money that could have been used to better people’s life. I would be happy if I am wrong.

  28. [quote="Due-West":r2p2z0k0]Do you really believe in this [quote="Pochemychker":r2p2z0k0]now, as far as I understand you recognize that the sheer fact of existence of independent Ukrainian government was the reason for occupation, not any action of such.[/quote:r2p2z0k0].
    I do not know where you get such ideas.
    [/quote:r2p2z0k0]

    You’ve said (couple of messages earlier)

    [quote="Due-West":r2p2z0k0]
    I only meant that Crimea was taken over because of the emerging threat to the Russian fleet.
    [/quote:r2p2z0k0]

    As it was done within couple of days after new government became a reality, and operation of this type requires more than a week to prepare — it’s obvious that the reason wasn’t any action of such .. according to your beliefs.

    [quote="Due-West":r2p2z0k0]I suppose, including Putin.
    As I said, the take over of Crimea was a reaction to the events which threatened to lose access to the sea.
    [/quote:r2p2z0k0]
    So, just tell me what were those events, and what were the dates of those events and I’d try to understand your logic :)

  30. [quote="Due-West":3mw3q9sh]Ok, I have told you how I see it all. What is your view on this? Why is this happening? And who started it?[/quote:3mw3q9sh]

    Sorry, but somehow I can’t find the answer to my last question "So, just tell me what were those events, and what were the dates of those events and I’d try to understand your logic" ( see the message above for additional information). Meanwhile I’ll try to translate my opinion on the topic in english, but not now :)

  31. [color=#FF0000:joopzp4k][b:joopzp4k]Народ! Появилось большое количество клонов в подфоруме "События в Украине", особенно с айпи адресов в пространстве бывшего СНГ. Характерной особенностью является участие только в украинских темах, прямо вот зарегистрировался и давай постить туда… С этого момента я оставляю за собой право удалять таких пользователей вместе со всеми сообщениями, вне зависимости от высказываемой точки зрения. Слишком возрасла нагрузка на сервер. Модераторов я попрошу давать мне списки на удаление — главный критерий это недавняя регистрация и участие только (или большей частью) в украинских темах независимо от высказываемой точки зрения.

    Это чисто техническая мера, призванная улучшить читаемость форума для основной категории посетителей интересующихся Канадой.

    [/b:joopzp4k][/color:joopzp4k]

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